What makes Jerusalem 'your city?'?
Topic: personal statement criteria
July 20, 2019 / By Tucker Question:
A (Jewish) user here used the phrase: “Jerusalem OUR city,” which got me thinking of what exactly does that mean. I’m taking about the metaphysics of the statement.
This statement was uttered in a context of exclusion - it’s exclusively ‘our city’ and everyone else’s claims or attachment to the city are less or null.
What exactly makes a city one’s own?
- Is it where one is born? Is it where one’s parents are born?
- Is it where one’s ancestors were born? How back can one go with ancestry?
(What if your ancestors were born in various places?)
(What if one is a convert to Judaism and has no link with ancestry,
does that mean the city does not belong to him/her?)
- Is it based of rule - who has ruled/cared for it the longest?
- Is it because the city is gifted exclusively to you by a deity?
(In this, take into account the fallacy of circular reasoning)
- Is it because one loves it the most? (‘Next time in Jerusalem’)
- Is it based on a moral right? (meaning, one deserves the city because one’s rule has shown to be morally superior than other rules of the city throughout history)
Note, I’m not denying or affirming this statement.
I want to know what criterion is used.
Also, please ignore all typos...
@Losha: please point to where I declared Jerusalem was 'my' city -_-
You do not understand my question at all. While you are at it, please refer back to the points and answer the question again. Jerusalem and the land is mentioned over 70 times, explicitly and implicitly, in Islamic scriptures of Qur'an and ahadith, but if number-counting is your thing,
whatever - refer back to circular reasoning.
As two people have brought it up, for the record: I do not hold Mecca either to be 'my' city.
The concept is very foreign to me. In fact, there is a saying in Mecca: "only the people of Mecca are familiar with their mountain trails" and I do not fall in the category of "the people of Mecca" so it's not 'my' city.
@Mr Z: Your comment is vague. What do you mean by “denying?” Denying existence in the city? Ownership? Jewish links/claims? I do not think this question was about denying. In addition, your comparison with Mecca is comparing apples to oranges. Jerusalem has always been of plurality of religions and peoples. Whereas, Mecca was a homogeneous arid land lacking resources and any plurality or diversity, similar to the Germanic tribes. Unlike their Byzantine or Persian neighbors, so, your comparison is weak. [Source: Berkey, Religion and Society in the Near East].
Best Answers: What makes Jerusalem 'your city?'?
Rhett | 7 days ago
If I had to guess i would say that he/she as a Jew is proud to live in the city of their ancestors as you say and if you know the history behind it all then i can understand it.
I believe that Jerusalem is a part of his Historical and Religious identity and that makes him possessive and it would insult his beliefs if a non-believer would claim it as theirs, hence their history.
Concerning what makes a city yours I can say from personal experience that it all depends on the person. I come from South Africa and I am a white man. Even today there are Africans who believe that Europeans should get out of South Africa, though they are in the minority, even though i was born and raised here apparently my motherland is not mine. Then I met a vet who came from America to Botswana and he believes that he is as African as the soil.
So I would say that it all depends on where you find your identity.
Hope this helped
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Your questions are very pointed and considerate. However, regarding Jerusalem there are different scales. Jerusalem has been a center of civil and religious developments for several thousand years. Historically, it was conquered and settled by Assyrians, Judaic tribes, by Romans, by Arabic tribes, by Christians, by Moslems, by Turks and others, until the land around was in the 20th century allocated arbitrarily for a "re-settlement" of Jews from all over the world.
Since three major religions have their roots there, it really is not anybody's city, but a commonwealth.
The person you are referring to is ignoring all the very special peculiarities and just uttered his narrow minded chauvinistic opinion. There cannot be a claim by Jews that Jerusalem is alone their city.
May Allah bless you in your innocence. I am a recognized and extremely objective Scholar of Islam, indeed.
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