What makes an individual believe definitively that there is no God?
Topic: Make a conclusion
July 20, 2019 / By Corynn Question:
Is it justifiable to conclude that there is no God without first employing the appropriate methodologies that allow us to come to knowledge of God?
Isn't it a bit naive to seek God, Who is beyond logic and reason, with logic and reason?
Have those who have come to the conclusion that this is no God followed the method of purification of heart from egotistical passions and impurities? Be honest.
Are the Saints all liars? Are theists so deluded as to believe in a God that does not communicate with us in any kind of tangible way?
I am talking from an (Eastern Orthodox) Christian perspective. These arguments might not hold true in the same way in other theistic religions (Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc). I am not knowledgeable enough to argue their positions, nor do I care to, as it would make no sense for me to do so.
Just wondering what other people thing on this topic. Personally I believe that those who do not believe in God are unwilling to try such an anti-self methodology for whatever reason or are unfamiliar with it. Where is my error? I have yet to see an example of a person who has earnestly followed the way the Saints describe and has not understood the evidence brought forth.
Is the revealed system just so distasteful to some? How does one know whether the fruit is sweet or bitter if they have not taken a taste?
I hope to come to an understanding eventually.
(Sorry to ramble on)
I'm not implying that there is no evidence to be found. It's just not scientific in nature. The fruits of proper Christian askesis are evident to the person who follows the system. God is known through the heart. One may find that this kind of "knowledge" is more real and more evident that other kinds. I don't mean knowledge here in a gnostic sense, rather it's more of an understanding of the person's situation as illuminated by the Grace of God.
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Bethney | 3 days ago
Are the methodologies that you use to come to a conclusion of a god proper or are they just good enough for you? If you present conclusive factual concrete proof for your beliefs I would come to your side of believing. Why is it more important to make use of rhetoric and opinion to elicit belief?
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If our goal is to avoid any authority over us who would tell us how to live our lives, then we will pursue that goal and to do that ,we must "hold as true" that no such authority exists.
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